Talk:John Jones

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I took the marriage information off - it is inaccurate. See the discussion note under Sarah Langdon.

Good catch. I'll update my personal files.
--Seanmcox 21:33, 7 June 2008 (MST)


I'm not quite ready to declare that Merick and Ann are infact our John's parents, yet. It is clear there is a Meryic and Mary having children at this same time and location - as you have documented. I am curious if Meryic was unfaithful to Mary, or if there is another man with the same name - a cousin? a son? (though the dates don't look likely), ?? The dates for John's birth don't match exactly (though we really don't have an exact birthdate yet). The fact that John named a son Merick certainly creates a likelyhood of the father being named Merick (spelled whichever way). I'm hoping to find a marriage record for one of the marriages that lists the parents - or some other documentation to tie these two Johns together for sure.

I agree that there's still some uncertainty here, but I felt the new information made the picture solid enough that it merited filling in the names that we expect are correct. I didn't quite feel like Meyrick merited a page yet. Once you create a page, it then becomes troublesome if you find out you have the wrong person. As it is, the information will be easy to correct if we find out we have it wrong. This is part of the reason why I put the possible sibling information on the John Jones page. Once we feel comfortable that we have things right, we can start constructing the pages and push things back a bit.
Regarding the possibility that Meyric was unfaithful to his wife, I expect there is no evidence for that here. I found at least one case in your source that made the illegitimacy very explicit. I, personally, expect that the wife's name is "Mary Ann ...". "Mary Ann" is a very common name for some reason.
Seanmcox 19:55, 21 June 2008 (MST)

The pertinent source motivating this discussion is as follows:

  • Penrhos Baptisms 1696, 1725 - 1800 Number 449
    • Number 409 lists an Elizabeth, daughter of Meyric and Mary Jones, Christened 12 Sep 1784.
    • Number 436 lists a Meyric, son of Meyrick and Mary Jones, Christened 10 May 1789.
    • Number 464 lists a Mary, daughter of Meric and Mary Jones, Christened 2 Feb 1794. (Hmm, then Ann doesn't appear to be a second wife. Perhaps then Ann is Mary.)
    • Number 495 lists a Rachel, daughter of Merrick and Mary Jones, Christened 5 Aug 1798.
    • Number 515 lists a Rachel, daughter of Meyrick and Mary Jones, Christened 29 Sep 1800.
--Seanmcox 19:02, 5 July 2008 (MST)

IGI source

It is my opinion that the Maurice Jones mentioned in the IGI source possibility is not our guy at all. The birth location is not the same. Since Jones is so common in Wales, we are going to run into a ton of near misses on this. So there is my 2 cents on this one.

You are probably right, that it is not the same guy. I certainly don't mean to imply that it is the same guy, but simply that it is similar. Until we nail him down better, I'm gathering up anything (almost) that might be relevant. Later I'll trim out completely irrelevant material. --Seanmcox 19:06, 5 July 2008 (MST)

Penrose baptisms

I think you need to list the one showing John's baptism so folks can see where we got it, and why we are discussing Mary vs. Ann in our discussions and notes. (I'd add it in, but I'm away from my home computer and files right now)

What do you mean? I did list "the one" (the baptismal record entry) showing John's baptism. I further sub-listed entries for likely siblings. Do you mean that I should list them again here in the talk section? Perhaps you're right about that, if that is what you mean. I will do so. (As a side-note, you should really be signing your discussion postings. Conversations make little sense when one doesn't know who is talking. So far it's just me and you, and I sign my postings, but Cassey may start chiming in and others may come in as well who don't know who you are. Certainly others will likely read without participating and wonder.) --Seanmcox 19:00, 5 July 2008 (MST)